This started on Facebook when Kelley, a.k.a. Kells, a.k.a. The Pied Piper of Claims, a.k.a. One Letter Short of a porn star had the audacity and nerve to proclaim that Eminem is the greatest emcee of all time. I will give Em his due--he's in the discussion for perhaps the top 30, but nowhere near the top 10.
First the rules: Emcee = an individual who can just pick up a microphone and start flowing, leaving you and your comrades in awe at their lyrical genius. This means no matter the beat, the time of day or the location, this individual will "put it down." They must be flexible, being able to conquer any beat while still maintain the ability to tell a story and not just rhyme.
For you "new school" cats, anyone with a name (or nick-name for that matter) ending in "eezy" doesn't even belong in the discussion. The following people are the only people that should even be considered when discussing the greatest emcees of all time (in no particular order)
- Christopher Wallace
- Shawn Carter
These two gentlemen are/were more versatile on the M-I-C than your average. Just listen to Life After Death and everything Jay has done since The Life and Times of Shawn Carter Vol. 3--these dudes change their style up with EACH SONG.
- Black Thought
Highly under rated, just like The Roots in general.
- Rakim
Took the use of similes and metaphors to a whole new level. Period.
- Nasir
More of a poet than typical rhymer, but like the next two guys it's more about what he says. Accomplishments include a song that tells a story--backwards and another in which he likens himself to a gun.
- Mos Def
- Talib Kweli
Real hip-hop heads know who these guys are and will hold them up against any other "artist." Kweli in particular uses an excellent blend of metaphor, simile and vocabulary that is often imitated but never duplicated. Mos is a great story teller.
- Certain members of the Wu, namely Ghostface, Gza, Golden Arms, and Raekwon
- KRS-One/BDP
- A Tribe Called Quest (particuarly Phife, the five foot assassin)
In case you didn't know, Phife is Kweli's dad. Has to be. They look alike and have the same presence on the mic.
- MC Lyte
The only female that belongs on this list. Sorry Lauryn, Salt, Pepp, Queen Latifah, Moni (the one in the middle), Lil Kim, Foxxy Brown, Eve, et. al. It's the Lyte and that's it. In fact, I'd put $10 on Lyte in a battle with many of the men on this list and feel confident I'd win the bet.
- T.I.
I have to admit I was a hater at first, but as you continue to listen he's got skills. Problem is he's becoming more commercial, which is what killed others NOT on this list.
- Lupe Fiasco
Hasn't been around that long you say. He's too new you say. He's not gangsta enough you say. He's still probably one of the more lyrically gifted folks doin it right now.
- Common
- Eminem
Note that Tupac and most West coast and southern rappers are not included. Could it be market bias? Not at all. There just aren't that many good lyricists coming out of Cali (maybe Karupt but I'm not sold on him being included on this list). And you need an interpreter to understand most of them southern cats. But why not 'Pac? Well to put it simply, despite being wildly successful and a pretty good lyricist, he NEVER CHANGED HIS STYLE UP! Do we know how Pac would attack an up tempo beat (like "Anything" on Jay-Z's Kingodom Come)? Sure he could pick up his pace, but so can Calvin Brodus (notably missing from the list). If this list were top Gangsta Rappers of all time, no one would even come close. But Pac doesn't belong on this list. Besides, the game has changed. The point has become to make money and sell records (as noted in T.I.'s last installment) not wow us with skills (like Lupe continues to do number of units sold be damned). THAT's why many of your south and west cats aren't on this list--they may have skills but don't care to show them. They are more concerned about makin your ass shake.
Other notables that could be on this list but for some fatal flaws:
OutKast--Dre 3000 writes and pretty much fell off after ATLiens. Southerplayalisticcadilacmusiq is and will forever be their greatest accomplishment. Besides, they retired and started acting.
EPMD--Erick Sermon kills them otherwise they'd be on this list.
Redman--dude is literally nuts.
Eve--good, but not quite good enough. But what can you expect from an ex-stripper?
Busta Rhymes--in a class of his own, just not this class.
Big Daddy Kane--another example of failure to change the style up. He does get his credit though for fathering many other rappers who continue to bite his style to this day.
Dr. Dre and any other member of N.W.A.
And if their name wasn't mentioned, it wasn't worth it.
4 comments:
Whats the criteria in terms of flowing, 1 record? 3 Singles? Cause you know i'm bout to rip shit up
JJ A o Q
A good example of "flowing" is "name of the Game" by Talib Kweli on his Reflection Eternal album. Available now on The Suit Presents in iTunes if you're on SUA network. Otherwise, you ass out!
Can I get some love for Ja-Rule, Master P, Mystikal, Silkk the Shokker, and Lil JOn? It takes incredible amout of guts and ignorance to do what they do, and keep a straight face.
Yeah i smell a Whackest Emcees list...smells like old sneakers
TAKEN FROM ORIGINAL DISCUSSION ON FACEBOOK.
Only because my boy Kells, the pied-piper of claims started this...
This man had the AUDACITY to name EMINEM the best Emcee. Off the top of my head the following are all better then Em
Big Boi
Jay-Z
Biggie
Mos Def
Talib Kweli
Rakim
Common
KRS-One
Hell even Em says that REDMAN is better than him ("Til I collapse" on The Eminem Show). I'm putting it out there now--who is the top ten? Serious comments only please!
In this note: Kelley R. Foxx (notes)
Updated last Thursday - Comment
Kelley R. Foxx at 3:08pm January 8
Are you insane? Do you need meds NEC? Big Boi? Whaaaat? Mos Def done sold out to the 'stablishment. Redman deserves a spot but he's not better than Em. He was bein gracious
Juarez Omar at 3:10pm January 8
Big Daddy Kane
Kool Moe Dee
Biggie
KRS-ONE
Mos Def
DMX
Snoop
Chuck D
Father MC
Ras Kas
Kool Kieth
Raekwon
Kelley R. Foxx at 3:11pm January 8
Father MC...LOL
Juarez Omar at 3:12pm January 8
father MC was the truth
R.I.P
he may not even be dead, but the the motherfucker be!
Nicholas Cummings at 3:12pm January 8
Jokeyjokemaker was makin all kinds of jokes when he said DMX...
Juarez Omar at 3:14pm January 8
DMX was hot like fire for a while. Remember all them thiggish cats barking like dogs and calling women bitches? I sure do
Juarez Omar at 3:15pm January 8
also, please refer to the often overlooked song by Obie trice, eminem, and DMX "Go to sleep" from the cradle to the grave soundtrack
Kelley R. Foxx at 3:16pm January 8
This cat said RIP...he may not even be dead yet...LOL. That's hilarious
Juarez Omar at 3:19pm January 8
MC SEARCH? where's the love for the new minorities in America?
Juarez Omar at 3:19pm January 8
who is on the original list?
Nicholas Cummings at 3:22pm January 8
There was no "original" list. This was an effort to spark the debate to hopefully create one.
Juarez Omar at 3:24pm January 8
nothing between us and that list but air and opportunity.......lets get cracking
Juarez Omar at 3:24pm January 8
we should blog this shit out on fagmael's blog!
Kelley R. Foxx at 3:25pm January 8
I agree..this could keep that goin for at least a few weeks
Juarez Omar at 3:26pm January 8
SNOW? Informer...blah blah blah blah blah blah a licky boom boom yeah
Juarez Omar at 3:27pm January 8
Doug E. Fresh?
Juarez Omar at 3:27pm January 8
Erick Sermon?
Juarez Omar at 3:27pm January 8
Mc Ren?
Juarez Omar at 3:28pm January 8
B Real?
Juarez Omar at 3:28pm January 8
Mellow man Ace?
Juarez Omar at 3:29pm January 8
Krazy Race?
Kelley R. Foxx at 3:37pm January 8
Master Ace, Kool G Rap, The artifacts crew?
Juarez Omar at 3:40pm January 8
master ACE? I was born to roll!
Juarez Omar at 3:40pm January 8
Souls of Mischief 93 till infinity!
Juarez Omar at 3:41pm January 8
Digable Planets - Doodlebug
Juarez Omar at 3:41pm January 8
Supercat - Ghetto Red Hot
Nicholas Cummings at 3:42pm January 8
Fife. can't forget the five foot assassin...
Kelley R. Foxx at 3:43pm January 8
Somebody had the audacity to suggest that Q-Tip carried Fife on their albums. I had to let that sink in for a week or so before I could respond
Juarez Omar at 3:50pm January 8
fife dog is like the earl boykins of mc'ing No respect till he lites your ass up!
Juarez Omar at 3:51pm January 8
Dr. Dre gets partial credit
MC Solaar is very underrated, even more underrated.....YOYO, you can't play with my yoyo. Also, Patra, the Jamican female Shabba Ranks
Juarez Omar at 3:52pm January 8
get that blog up and ruinning Nickle ass!
Nicholas Cummings at 4:02pm January 8
MC Lyte is the only female emcee that belongs on this list. No offense...
Kelley R. Foxx at 4:05pm January 8
Nahh..bahamadia and Lauryn Hill belong too
Juarez Omar at 4:07pm January 8
None of them chicks would be anything with respect to Salt N Pepa.......and where the hell are Biz markie, Ice-T, and O'Shay Jackson?
Kelley R. Foxx at 4:08pm January 8
I'm listenin to O'Shay now. He is definitely excluded
Juarez Omar at 4:26pm January 8
because of "Are we there yet" Just remember "Wicked, and No Vaseline"
Kelley R. Foxx at 4:31pm January 8
lol..no. I ain't mad at "Are we there yet." Go make that paper. I'm mad at almost every lyric he ever put down. I mean..I'm a fan..but lyricist he is not. Imagine common over half his beats. Now THAT's scary
Izzy Lopez at 9:02am January 9
I have no ability to even talk in this space...I will admit that. I was going to say something, but it would be like u guys talking about how to hit a baseball, TV shows, and bitches. Gentleman, u have ur arena and I have mine!
James Schwertfeger at 10:19am January 9
Asher Roth!!!
Kelley R. Foxx at 10:23am January 9
Que?
James Schwertfeger at 10:32am January 9
youtube him
James Schwertfeger at 10:35am January 9
Nas didn't even make the list??????
Kelley R. Foxx at 10:41am January 9
He's got crazy skill but he sounds like Em kinda
James Schwertfeger at 10:47am January 9
yeah he does.
Kelley R. Foxx at 10:49am January 9
What has Nas done since Illmatic?
James Schwertfeger at 10:59am January 9
true! He just don't have the beats but his lyrics have always been the best.
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